2 November 2013, 11:39

The FBI could have stopped the Stratfor leak at any point – Sue Crabtree

The FBI could have stopped the Stratfor leak at any point – Sue Crabtree
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The persecution of Jeremy Hammond is largely being ignored by the US mass media but the case of the young man  accused of being involved in the passing of the Stratfor E-Mails to WikiLeaks is full of contradictions and serious reasons to question the motives of the judge and the entire prosecution, including the FBI which, it has been revealed, not only orchestrated the hack through an FBI informant known by the code name "Sabu", but could have stopped the leak of the files anytime had they wanted. The FBI were in fact storing the "Stratfor Files" on their own servers for two weeks before they were released to WikiLeaks. According to Sue Crabtree, a close friend of Jeremy and the mother of the family who took Jeremy in and whose children considered him a brother, the FBI may have been interested in the activities of Stratfor which may explain why they held the material on their servers for so long. Mrs. Crabtree also believes that the FBI was interested in selling the material to WikiLeaks so that charges of espionage could be brought.

This is John Robles, I'm speaking with Mrs. Sue Crabtree – a very close associate to Jeremy Hammond.



Jeremy Hammond © Screenshot: Freejeremy.net

Robles: Hello! How are you this evening?

Crabtree: I'm well sir. And yourself?

Robles: I'm very well. Thank you for agreeing to speak with me. Can you tell us about the history of Mr. Jeremy Hammond? And then I'd like to discuss his case with you, if we could?

Crabtree: Yes sir! Jeremy was arrested in March of 2012 and he was accused of hacking the US Government spying firm Stratfor and releasing the e-mails that were taken to WikiLeaks.

Robles: Was this information that he supposedly took from this company, did it cause any harm to anybody? Or what was the damage done, if any?

Crabtree: No, Sir, he didn't cause harm to anyone. This was all done under the direct supervision of the FBI with the help of a government informant, who had been previously arrested and opted to act as a snitch working for the FBI to coordinate the hack of Stratfor. There was no harm to anyone. Emails were taken.

Robles: I've personally seen many of them. The person we are calling a "snitch" was he the initiator of this?

Crabtree: Yes, it is my understanding, he was the initiator.

Robles: So, he kind of got Jeremy involved in this in order to bring about his arrest, to get himself off, or something like that? Can you tell us about that person? Do you know anything about him?

Crabtree: Oh yes sir, I do know about that person. His name is Hector Monsegur. He goes by the nickname Sabu. He was arrested I believe in June of 2011 for credit card theft-related charges and hacking. And he decided to act as a Government informant rather than face charges that were against him.

He worked with Jeremy, along with several other codefendants, who were ultimately arrested in March of 2012 for the hack of Stratfor which took place in December of 2011.

Robles: And he was the initiator of all this. Did anything happen to him because of that or he just walked away after causing all these other people to be arrested?

Crabtree: Actually, he still has charges pending against him. But he continually receives a delay in any sentencing, because he is a cooperator for the FBI. And there have been several other arrests with his help. So, he continues to actually work alongside the FBI in trying to bring down other activists.

Robles: So, he is currently active. He is probably using other names and things or what?

Crabtree: Yes, he could be using other names. He is not in jail. His crimes did involve theft of credit cards, loss of money to people, the use of stolen credit cards, etc. But he is out of jail currently working with the FBI.

Robles: Okay, he was actually stealing money and causing financial damage to people, right? Jeremy didn't cause anything like that, did he? I mean, his actions were all political, right? What were his motivations?

Crabtree: His motivations were totally political. Jeremy believes in transparency, that the people have a right to know what our government is doing. The US Government was contracted with the spying firm Stratfor who has been spying on Occupy Wall Street protestors, victims of the Bhopal disaster, spying on the Yes Men, spying on PETA supporters.

There are documented e-mails showing that the US Government was working with Mexican drug cartels to import drugs into this country. There were e-mails regarding the facial recognition software TrapWire. And all of this was exposed within those emails that were taken from Stratfor.

But it is important to know that the FBI was fully aware of all of the events that were taking place throughout that hack and the 5 million e-mails that were taken, were stored on the FBI's servers for a week to two weeks before they were transferred to WikiLeaks.

Sabu, who is the FBI informant, was trying to sell those e-mails to WikiLeaks. Jeremy Hammond said he never agreed to sell anything and the e-mails were turned over to WikiLeaks for free.

Robles: A very important step there if you can elaborate a little bit: why were they stored on FBI computers? Were they stored there, so they were accessible to the group that was doing this or what?

Crabtree: Jeremy was not aware that Sabu was acting as an FBI informant. And Sabu told Jeremy and all of the codefendants that he had a location where the information that was taken could be stored. And so, the information was transferred to those servers which were controlled by the FBI.

Robles: And then, they went from those FBI servers to WikiLeaks, as I understand?

Crabtree: Yes, that's correct. So, at any time the FBI could have prevented the transfer of those emails to WikiLeaks.

Robles: But they didn't.

Crabtree: They didn't.

Robles: The FBI allowed this stuff to get out there in the public domain, right?

Crabtree: Yes. It was transferred to WikiLeaks. They are known as the Global Intelligence Files and they are accessible on WikiLeaks. They are not all accessible at this time. I know there are still some volunteers that are going through them, there were 5 million e-mails.

So, they are trying to organize them, go through them, understand what was happening within those e-mails. But I believe about a million of them have been released for public view at this time.

Robles: One more time, the FBI could have stopped this any time.

Crabtree: They absolutely could have. And as a matter of fact, they knew that the hack was going to take place prior to it taking place and they could have notified Stratfor. Stratfor could have taken down their servers and prevented the hack altogether.

Robles: It sounds to me like they didn't only just know in advance, it sounds to me like they planned it.

Crabtree: One could consider that to be correct.

Robles: This is kind of dangerous, because all that information could have been manipulated, it could have been cherry-picked or something, right?

Crabtree: You mean the e-mails?

Robles: Yes.

Crabtree: Do you think they could be altered?

Robles: Yes, do you think that’s possible that they allowed just certain stuff to get through? Do you think they were filtered or anything?

Crabtree: Do you mean I think Stratfor filtered them?

Robles: No, the FBI.

Crabtree: It is possible that they were filtered. I know they weren’t altered by Jeremy or his codefendants. There were 5 million e-mails, it would be very hard to alter that number of the e-mails. But they were on FBI servers long enough for anything.

It is hard to say what the motives were of the FBI to take a look at Stratfor or why Stratfor was chosen to be hacked, but they were, and it was done under the supervision of the FBI, and this is found in the court documents.

So, this isn't something that I'm just making up and handing to you. It is within the court documents that they were well aware of it.

Robles: Do you have access to those documents?

Crabtree: Yes, I do have access to those documents. They are a public record. The documents are actually on freeanons.org, and you can just go to the resources page...

Robles: Going back a little bit to the motivation here, why would the FBI or maybe rogue elements in it (if we want to give them a way out of it) why would they want to setup a young man like Jeremy, destroy his life, allow information that was supposedly damaging to get out there? What would be the reason for that? Just to make some big arrest or something or what? In your opinion.

Crabtree: I believe I would only be speculating if I were to answer that as to why and one would have to consider what was Stratfor doing that the FBI may want to know about.

Robles: So, it is possible the FBI wanted to know something about Stratfor and they got this Sabu to enlist some other computer savvy young people to get this stuff from Stratfor, give it to the FBI and then arrest them?

Crabtree: Yes, that's very possible.

Robles: So, the FBI organized a hack of Stratfor. They go through all this stuff, they have it of course, they know everything Stratfor is doing, right? And then they arrest the guys who actually did it for them?

Crabtree: One could speculate that. One could also speculate that the e-mails were offered to be sold to WikiLeaks so that the folks that run WikiLeaks could be charged with espionage for buying those e-mails.

WikiLeaks refused to purchase them, Hammond said "I never did this for money" and those e-mails were transferred to WikiLeaks. It's all speculative.

Robles: Well… when you are dealing with something like this, I think logic here is a "relevant tool" that we can use. How long has Jeremy been detained already?

Crabtree: He's been detained 19 months. He was denied bail in November of 2012 and he has been incarcerated since. He was arrested on March 5th, I believe, or the 6th of 2012.

Robles: And when was he charged?

Crabtree: I believe he was charged then. He was raided in Chicago, he was seen in court in Chicago the next day and then he was taken from all of his support in Chicago and flown to New York, where he is being held ever since.

Which is very problematic for a person to be taken from their family, their support and to be taken to a state where he has no support, no visitors, no nothing.

Robles: This may be an internal US issue, but it is also touching us internationally regarding the city of New York, and I believe this is the New York Federal Court, it is probably the same federal prosecutors that, pretty much renditioned Viktor Bout and some other Russian nationals, Konstantin Yaroshenko, and I believe Jeremy is in the same jail that Viktor Bout was, is that correct?

Crabtree: That may be, I'm not really sure of that. He presently is at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, which is the federal jail in Manhattan. The address is on Park Row in New York. And I know there are a lot of federal prisoners there, so it wouldn't surprise me at all.

Robles: It seems like more and more, (I've been following and reporting on all kinds of the situations like this, and it seems like the Federal Court for New York is being specially used for questionable prosecutions of people that are innocent or setup etc, but that's a subject for an entire other interview.

What about other people in that case right now? Have they been charged? How many other that you know about are suffering because of this along with Jeremy?

Crabtree: There are I believe three in the UK that were charged, that have pretty much served their time and been released, and I believe there was one in Ireland that was given a probationary thing. But they were all granted bail prior to their sentences and their sentences were very minimal.

Jeremy when he was arrested was told that he would serve 35 years to life if he were found guilty, which is a very severe amount of time, considering no one was injured, he didn't murder anyone, he didn't rape anyone, he wasn't drunk driving and killed someone.

This is a nonviolent action. Jeremy believes in what he pled guilty to. He believes in transparency, he believes the people had the right to know what our Government was contracting with this company and what was going on. And it is also a very interesting piece of information, but the federal informant Sabu, his judge is also the same judge that Jeremy Hammond has.

So, the snitch and Hammond have the same judge. And that judge continuingly allows Sabu's case to be postponed, while Hammond can't even get bail.

Robles: I see… It sounds extremely "corrupt". Something is seriously wrong there, in my opinion, I'm sure you would agree.

Crabtree: Shortly after his bail was denied in November, we were doing some research and we found that the judge’s husband himself had an e-mail address associated with Stratfor.

So, a request was made by Jeremy's attorneys to change the judge because of a conflict of interest. And the judge refused to change, denied the request for a new judge. So, Jeremy has the same judge. However, her husband’s e-mail address was one of the leaked e-mails from the Stratfor hack.

Robles: I see. That's kind of like the whole paradigm right now. I mean, of course the US Army is not going to prosecute their own soldiers for war crimes, the NSA is not going to prosecute themselves for illegal spying on everybody.

Unfortunately, "Very" unfortunately, people like Jeremy, young bright people are suffering for this. What do you think we can do to help Jeremy and other people in the same situation?

Crabtree: I think the best thing that we can do is to gather us much support as we can for Jeremy. He is willing to accept the consequences of his actions and he is willing to accept that his beliefs led him to do what he did. And he feels very strongly about that, he has not apologized, he will not apologize for what he’s done.

And so, if you visit freejeremy.net, there is an address at the moment to write him. Once he is sentenced that address will change and we will post his new address once he is moved on mail to the jail.org, which you could visit. And it’s got a list of many our United States and other countries' political prisoners. As long as we can get an address for them, we can write to them and that is very important.

You were listening to an interview with Susan Crabtree. She was someone who was very close to Jeremy Hammond. This was the first part of a longer interview. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at the voiceofrussia.com

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