Sputnik: What do you think about Agramunt's revelations about Soros-funded operations in Europe?
Francesco Galietti: George Soros has been credited for a long time for being one of the very few individuals in the world with his own foreign policy, so it's hardly a surprise that someone like George Soros is now coming under heavy shelling for the way he exerts, he projects, his own influence. What is a little bit more interesting is how this can be triangulated against cases where projecting influence is not illegal at all. So if we consider the case of Italy, Italy is a country, probably the only case that comes to mind in the West, where the funding of Italian political parties from foreign sponsors is not illegal, it’s actually allowed.
So I think that instead of conducting this pattern of analogies of foreign influence and framing it as an illegal, covert operation, in the case like the Italian one we have something completely different. Italy is a place where it is technically and legally possible to fund and sponsor an Italian political party, so the real issue there is where the money of Italian political parties is going to come from. And I have written at length about this topic in my latest essay, which is called “Sovereignty for sale,” it's entirely dedicated to the funding of Italian political parties and foreign meddling.
Sputnik: Can you tell us about some of the impact of foreign meddling from your point of view – what kind of foreign meddling – and to what extent has it affected politics in Italy?
Francesco Galietti: Not yet really. Let's look at the architecture first: So the Italian system has had its roots political parties. Political parties, because of the design of the entire system, are the entities that […] wield power in the country, so this party is influenced from outside. Outside sponsors can temporarily de facto hold the levers of the Italian state, and that means that political decisions by siding or not siding with a certain ally, and this is very important when it comes to foreign policy decisions and it would obviously affect the Italian Middle East policy, Italian North Africa policy and even more sensitive topics like sanctions, but that’s not the only case where foreign influence would be hugely important.
Sputnik: Now George Soros has repeatedly been accused of meddling in elections and political processes in various countries – what goals do you think he’s pursuing? Is he just a businessman or is there something beyond just trying to just get control of certain government-owned companies?
Francesco Galietti: It’s difficult to decouple all his goals, George Soros is many things. Certainly he’s trying to uphold a certain idea, very liberal idea, very globalist idea of the EU, and he’s also famous in this part of the world for having speculated very heavily on the Italian lira several years ago so the feelings of the Italian elite, not just of the population, vis-a-vis Soros, are very mixed, you won't find many friends of Soros in this part of the world because many associate him with speculation on the lira. It’s also fair to say, however, that despite being a strong supporter of the EU as a single lobby, super-national lobby, so despite being an advocate of the hollowing out of sovereign states, he has been increasingly vocal against the economic monetary structure of the EU.
Soros likes the EU, but dislikes member states, dislikes sovereign states, but he does not like the way in which the euro is affecting mutual relations. In recent interviews he has said that the euro has created two classes: one is a class of European creditors and the other is a class of debtors, with the latter ones de facto being the slaves of the former ones, so as always with someone as complex as that it’s not easy to have a straightforward judgment, even Soros himself seems to be backtracking on some of his earlier positions.
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