The two discuss the upcoming visit on Monday of NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg to the White House to meet with President Obama. A quarter of a century after the breakup of the Soviet Union, is NATO outdated? Why does it continue to grow despite the non-existence today of the Warsaw Pact countries that were seen as a rival to NATO? McGovern discusses the reasons behind the new cold war, the expansion of NATO, and the quadrupling of the US military budget for Europe in 2017. He also addresses if Turkey is isolated within NATO and what role the country has played in Syria.