7 November 2013, 11:05

Bush family ties to the Nazis and Skull and Bones are significant – Andrew Kreig

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There are secret forces which control the real power in the United States. These include intelligence agencies like the CIA and the FBI, the military industrial complex, secret organizations and societies like Skull and Bones and countless foundations. These bodies might be called "Puppet Masters" as author Andrew Kreig does. Mr. Kreig is the author of a new book on the matter and the director of the Justice and Integrity Project as well as an investigative journalist and public advocate of transparency and rule of law. He spoke to the Voice of Russia on these and other issues.

Hello, this is John Robles. I'm speaking with Mr. Andrew Kreig. He is an attorney, the founder and Director of the Justice Integrity Project and a legal reform advocate. He is also the author of Presidential Puppetry: Obama, Romney and Their Masters. You are listening to an interview in progress.

Kreig: When the Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel was nominated, there was all kinds of political drama about it. The Republicans in the US were trying to give him and President Obama a hard time, even though on its face he had quite a lot of relevant experience. But his nomination in some ways was a little bit in doubt.

People were trying to look for anything they could to exert leverage. But one thing that never came up, John, was his involvement with the company that now owns Diebold, the election company that you just mentioned.

So, a very important part of Secretary of Defense Hagel's distinguished background as a Vietnam Veteran and US Senator, has been almost lost to history, almost like a “George Orwell - Winston Smith” situation.

He was the Chairman of a very important voting tabulation company in Nebraska that tabulated the votes for his own first Senate run in both the Primary and Senate election.

And also he still retains ownership in this company which is now the largest election tabulation company in the United States.

It's acquired Diebold and so forth and I’m almost tempted John to ask you, but I guess I should be answering your questions.

Robles: No, go ahead.

Kreig: But I talked to Capitol Hill reporters who covered those hearings. And I said: “Why didn't you cover this?” And they said, they'd never heard about it. And that's the kind of thing that I hear all the time.

Robles: Oh, we've never heard about it either. And we are always looking for this stuff, so… That's the first I've heard about it.

Kreig: That's because we all can only proceed on the basis of information and the tips that we get. And often in Washington there is kind of a conventional wisdom, a group think, and maybe people go a little bit outside of it.

But partly through my investigation of these political prosecutions and talking with people who were doing very deep and dark dirty tricks and now feel bad about it, I’ve learned the real stuff, that's in the dossiers.

Robles: Can we continue, with regard to your book again … very interesting and I really appreciate your going into all that. What about the secret history of Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton's connections with the FBI and the CIA and the intelligence community and the military-industrial complex?

Kreig: At the risk of spoiling the mystery here, because we get to that at the end, but your audience is busy, so let me just get to the point here that I think your audience may be able to handle but it's a little startling for most people in the US to handle.

Now, I just connected the dots, and I can say flatly that every US president since Jimmy Carter has been an asset in a sense of either the CIA or FBI at least for part of the time before they entered politics.

And it's very interesting, John, because if I said I did all the research myself, well that would be, you know, just incredibly impressive, but also unbelievable.

So, the reality is we each build on predecessor reporters, historians, and so forth. So what I'm doing is connecting the dots.

A year ago an author named Seth Rosenfeld came out with a very interesting book, I'm just pulling it off the shelf now, called “Subversive: The FBI's Waron Student Radicals, and Reagan's Rise to Power”. This is the product of 30 years of document hunting through the Freedom of Information Act by this very dedicated author.

He documents that Ronald Reagan was an FBI informant since the beginning of practically the 1950s, long before he entered politics. And he worked his way up through relationships, where first he was helping the FBI, then they started to help him, and then finally as he got to be Governor and then a candidate it was very mutually supportive. But it started in 1950, and that's a long time of cooperation and it puts a new light on how he ascended.

President Clinton's story is much briefer and less documented with paper, but I think it's pretty compelling that at the time that he was trying to avoid the draft in the late 1960s, and trying to keep his Rhodes Scholarship in England, that while he was antiwar, one of the things that was going on at that time is the CIA and other agencies were extremely interested in having informants that would tell them what was going on in the antiwar circles.

So I've assembled again the evidence that is right out there, and the reader can judge the power of the evidence for themselves, but I think it's pretty persuasive, that at least for that period he was cooperating in passing on information that would help him maintain his status and at least get a few more months in of his Rhodes Scholarship.

And this was by the way around the time of his trip to Russia, and very interesting little details that anybody could find and connect the dots, and I’ve just done it.

For example his roommate was Strobe Talbott who was translating the "Khrushchev Remembers" diary. So these are the types of details that help prove the story and they are right out there for anybody who wants to connect the dots, like me. And the astonishing thing is; no one does it.

Robles: Can I ask you a question regarding this now? I want to play like devil's advocate here. Is it that bad do you think, or what is the danger of presidents, leaders having connections with intelligence agencies? I mean, they get a real understanding like President Putin of what's really happening and how things really work in my opinion. Is that such a bad thing?

Kreig: No, and I appreciate the question, and I'm not arguing that it's a bad thing. In fact, one of the subplots of this that I make very clear in the book is that I reveal in the book that my own mother, who was a very well-known author in the United States, an investigator and a world traveler, who was invited by the Communists to go to China before Nixon did, and they gave her a VIP tour of China as an author. And I reveal that she was actually at the time an asset for Central Intelligence Agency, and that she reported back on what she saw to one of the top CIA officials. And I reveal that for the first time.

The relevant part is that she had dropped out of college to be one of the first women in the United States to join the Marines as a woman during the World War II. And all of this is patriotic.

So there is nothing the matter with it as it happens, or even now in my view except that I think the public should know to better understand democracy. So if they all admit it and people say “Oh well, you know I'm going to hate them for it and so forth” I would say just what you said. It makes him more experienced and let's think of the overall context.

Robles: If you have somebody in intelligence, I mean, if you have somebody in the CIA or you have somebody in MI5, or MI6 or you have somebody in the FSB or the SVR or the KGB or whatever. I mean these people are real, most of them are, real patriots, and they are going to do anything they can to protect and advance their countries. So I don't think that's a bad thing to have that person as a leader but if you would like to comment, go ahead, if not let's continue with…

Kreig: Well, I’ll just make one point. I said that every president since Carter I identify the evidence that they've been an asset.

Two things about it: one is why did my research stop with Carter? Well, because he was a graduate of the US Naval Academy and of World War II generation as were his predecessors George H. W. Bush, and so forth.

So those people we know, were in the military, and so forth, so it's not a mystery that needs to be discovered through public channels.

The other thing, and this is kind of an almost humorous aside, but there is less evidence of that for George W. Bush than for President Obama oddly. But on the other hand his father was Head of the CIA.

So, he grew up in this environment, and his father (I traced back the CIA involvement of the father to the early 1950s, that period right after the father graduated from Yale), so it's not just the one year or so that the father was Head of the CIA. It's a life time for the whole family. But for that very reason there is less specific evidence of George W. Bush. So, anyway, I just wanted to add that.

Robles: I have to ask you this: then what about Prescott Bush and the connections to the Nazis? Can you tell us anything about that?

Kreig: Well, I’ve got a whole chapter on Prescott Bush and his close connections, actually his entire career is an adventure. And I traced back the connection with the Nazis, and what it does, I think the chapter is probably only about 6 or 7 pages, I've gotten entire books about Prescott Bush right here on my shelf, but I'm summing it up to say: ‘Yes, he had connections with the Nazis, they were very significant ones’.

But the readers will know exactly what they were and what his defense was, although he rarely defended it. Nobody had nerve enough to ask him. But he was able to sell out his interest just before World War II started and essentially covered it up pretty well.

But readers will see that this was a very close connection and yet it was like many things involving Wall Street, complex enough so there is a certain deniability involved.

There is a Russian connection as well. The connection is that his very close friend and contemporary from Yale Skull & Bones, people in the wealthy Harriman family brought him into their firm and that helped him.

The interesting context of this, particularly to those in Russia, is the very close connection between Prescott Bush and Averell Harriman, who was a very wealthy man and the US Ambassador to Russia. He and Prescott Bush worked at a Wall Street firm Brown Brothers Harriman.

And it was in that context that one of their most important accounts was during the 1930s, handling many US transactions for the leading financier of Adolf Hitler's rise to power.

This financier wanted to diversify his assets into the United States and it was Prescott Bush who was in charge of the accounts and that required many trips to Russia, but it also involved the Harriman family that would prove so important in US politics for many, many years and Harriman was a true puppet master who brought, in this way, the Bush family into that orbit in a quite prominent manner.

So it’s not simply that they were working with Adolf Hitler during his rise to power, but that this is extremely important context to both the American Government for many years but also interactions with Russia.

Robles: What can you tell us about the connections with the Bush's and the Skull & Bones, so-called “secret” society at Yale University? What do you know about the Skull & Bones and their manipulation of, and connection to, the power elite in the United States?

Kreig: I think it's much more important than most people think, including myself, when I started this research.

I'm a graduate of Yale Law School which is a professional school there and only those who are seniors as undergraduates at Yale can be brought into Skull & Bones which is a secret society founded essentially in the late 1830s.

The Bush family has been very prominent in it, so has the Harriman family.

And before I started this research, John, even though I knew some things about it, I did not really realize its history, its kind of continuing influence.

John Kerry was a member and we had the very unusual situation of, in 2004 in the US, that both presidential candidates, John Kerry and George Bush, had been members of Skull & Bones during the 1960s at Yale.

Only 15 people a year are invited to join, and you really can't get in because you are the football captain or handsome or smart. You’ve really got to have many characteristics, and part of it is kind of a tie in many cases to old money, and it's really a dynastic force that plays an important part in my book.

Even though when I started the research I did not understand how important many of these secret societies or secret groups are, including the Council on Foreign Relations, the Rhodes Scholarships, the Foundations, these are ways of controlling dynastic power so that when someone dies they don't really die. And the family power and these ideas continue to rule as “Puppet Masters” I call it.

That was the end of Part 2 of an interview with Andrew Kreig, an attorney and a founder and Director of the Justice Integrity Project. He is also the author of “Presidential Puppetry: Obama, Romney and Their Masters”.

Thank you very much for listening and we wish you the best wherever you may be.

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