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    'Ridiculous' Scam: Trump Blasts Recount Movement

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    On the same day Hillary Clinton's campaign said it would help with efforts to ensure recounts of votes in several key states in the US presidential election, President-elect Donald Trump has called the movement "a scam."

    In a statement November 26, Trump called out the Green Party and Green Party candidate Jill Stein, who is spearheading the drive, saying "the people have spoken and the election is over."

    "This is a scam by the Green Party for an election that has already been conceded, and the results of this election should be respected instead of being challenged and abused, which is exactly what Jill Stein is doing," Trump said.

    Stein and the Green Party have called for official recounts in the three key swing states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, with Wisconsin agreeing November 25 to initiate a recount after Stein filed a petition with the state's Election Commission.

    The Clinton campaign's general counsel, Marc Elias, wrote in a blog post November 26 that the campaign would work with the recount effort. He said they had received messages of concern about voting in those three states.

    "Because we had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology, we had not planned to exercise this option ourselves, but now that a recount has been initiated in Wisconsin, we intend to participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides," Elias wrote.

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    If Stein pursues recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan, the campaign will also participate there, he said, though he acknowledged that the margin of Clinton's loss even in the closest race is far greater than any overcome by a recount.

    "But regardless of the potential to change the outcome in any of the states, we feel it is important, on principle, to ensure our campaign is legally represented in any court proceedings and represented on the ground in order to monitor the recount process itself," he wrote.

    Trump pointed out in his statement that he won 306 electoral votes, the most of any Republican since 1988, and won nine of 13 battleground states, 30 of 50 states, and more than 2,600 counties nationwide, "the most since President Ronald Reagan in 1984."

    "This recount is just a way for Jill Stein, who received less than one percent of the vote overall and wasn't even on the ballot in many states, to fill her coffers with money, most of which she will never even spend on this ridiculous recount," Trump said. "All three states were won by large numbers of voters, especially Pennsylvania, which was won by more than 70,000 votes."

    Trump later tweeted about the issue. 

    The Obama administration has said the election results "accurately reflect" the will of the American people.

    Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway weighed in on the recount movement, calling Clinton and Stein's teams "a pack of sore losers" to Bloomberg. 

    Trump himself during the campaign repeatedly suggested the results would be rigged and that he would have to wait until after the election to decide whether he would "accept" them.



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      hope that some reader will catch the message.....Me, Honorable Trump, will decide after the election if I ask to recount.....Me, Honorable Trump, consider, before any recount, that the action of recounting by my opponent as a scam and therefor should not be consider at all. Me, Dictator Trump, decide......(good luck, Gringo.)
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      hopscotch64in reply tojas(Show commentHide comment)
      jas, An honest man??? Really. Does an honest man run away from his contract obligations and screw hundreds of small businesses out of what they earned? Does a honest man file Bankruptcy six times in order to escape his obligations? Does an honest man run a scam like the Trump Real Estate School and rip millions of dollars off from vulnerable fellow citizens? Does an honest man make wild promises that he knows he cannot and has no intention to keep to the electorate? I'm afraid your idea of honesty is the antithesis of the words definition. Trumps campaign slogan should have been "Trump for Trump".
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      Just more garbage spewing from the GARBAGE MAN TRUMP!
      This mans is a complete Chuckle Head and should be locked away in his padded Drumpf Cell!
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      If there is a recount, not only the machine counts should be checked, the manual counts and the mail-in counts are much more sensitive to cheating. As I know the machines (where they even existed, they did not in Michigan) had no connection to the internet. The most common form of cheating are "stuffed ballots" which are common by hand counts and mail-in. There is a difference between mail-in and walk-in voting, and that is no news and is as such not a reason for recount. Large outliers at specific voting sites would be a reason and bimodal distributions.
      This is just another mean trick by Hillary, and the Greenies should be ashamed to be the tool for that corrupt woman. I wonder what Stein got for such a waste of tax payers money! IMHO, the Left is all corrupt!
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      Darrell R
      This is just an attempt by Stein to get what she did not get during the election. Some attention. Are there not better ways to spend that kind of money that might actually be of benefit to someone.
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      cmat.wolfgangin reply tocmat.wolfgang(Show commentHide comment)
      my candidate number 1 for cheating was Virginia. Trump should the insist to recount those last minute ballots which were counted during the last hour in Virginia. Here was certainly something going on in favor of Hillary. Then the entire tendency of voting changed when Trump was in front in Virginia!!
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      jasin reply toDarrell R(Show commentHide comment)
      Darrell R, That's the sick part. These people claim to be so caring for the impoverished, but they don't spend their money on the poor, just on politics, vacation homes and power struggles, ego, etc.
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      What a joke.They call it democracy and exporting to the other parts of the world that are living in hormony.
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      jasin reply tohopscotch64(Show commentHide comment)
      hopscotch64, I am not sure if any man is really honest, so it's relative to others. Relative to all available options, yeah, Trump is OK. Relative to Clinton or Obama, Trump is perfection.
    • support
      I do not think that the American political class will be satisfied until they have transformed this election into a Spanish Civil War which conflict was also a civil war of the governmentally-subsidised Section 8 landlording and temp agency-owning upper middle class tax farmers versus the sweat-soaked deplorables of the despised working class.

      This is a suitable requiem for this American epoch:


      And such fashion statements everyone could make on Facebook and Instagram posting videos of themselves as they are blowing themselves up!
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      Bernnie and larry and marty, all buy houses for cash, why not steinski !! Its in the genes.
    • supportin reply toDarrell R(Show commentHide comment)
      Darrell R, She wants her free house, too. She gets to keep all the loose change left over after the re-count.
    • supportin reply tokasivasantha(Show commentHide comment)
      kasivasantha, but you do not understand. American wars since WW II have been fought to kill off other Americans to suppress internal American dissent.

      It would be done here but it is too tough on property values.

      I live in the farming region of the USA. I can vouch for the fact that Iraq and Afghanistan have killed off a whole generation of what would have been a takeover generation of existing family farm inheritors.

      Now for the first time in 40 years, dozens of corporate farming organisations are pushing for legislation to pass in this state to allow of corporate farms to buy out family operations on an untrammeled basis instead of being required to give the family-owned cooperatives the sole right to absorb such properties.

      This was all planned out. It is called expropriation of property by the ruling class. The brunt of recruitment of US military forces during Iraq and Afghanistan was from rural communities...by the admission of the US Department of Defense themselves!
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      jasin reply tosupport(Show commentHide comment)
      support, Thank you for some truth on that issue. I keep reading about urban recruits online and that's just not true. Much of the US military has always come from the rural areas. I met an interesting older man at a gas station who flew jets.

      He said he was just a farm boy on a dairy farm and the next thing he knew they made him a pilot. He was laughing about how weird life is sometimes. Almost everyone I know has either been beat up but these wars or family members have all kinds of health issues, all rural folks. A lot of it is PTSD, just burned out from 3-6 combat tours. They just use the guys up until there's nothing left, like squeezing fruit for juice. And the globalists doing it are like Obama or Clinton who haven't done anything for anyone but themselves.
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      One by one, the globalist plants, masqeurading as principled opposition to the establishment (Sanders, and now this Stein entity) are exposing themselves. There are still many, many more yet to be exposed.

      Going forward, every so-called opposition to the establishment should never be taken on face value but constantly examined and judged based on what they do that "unwittingly befits" the globalists.
    • supportin reply tojas(Show commentHide comment)
      jas, the troops during Iraq and Arghan conflicts had no choice but to stay on for those longer extended tours or they would have been financially penalized. The government euphemism for this extension in combat process was "loss stoppage."

      PTSD, which is formally defined as trauma causing breakage of the nerves connected to the locus corueleus in the brain, constitutes less than 1/10 of the psychological problems. It takes a huge General Electric MRI machine to confirm that such damage is real. These machines are not at many DVA facilities which diagnose PTSD lol. Here is a semi-technical article on the LC which explains how this tiny organ in the brain works: if it goes haywire, it is not the same as "just" being distressed or in remorse or responding to social rejection!


      The term "PTSD" is used for unrelated psychological issues so that an economical "one size fits all" so-called treatment regime may be applied which always involves expensive psychotropics and opioid painkillers which kill the sufferer within 3 to 10 years while facilitating massive kickbacks which Big Pharma corpse feeders pay to the doctors, nurses and social workers who write the prescriptions.

      BTW the major reason DVA service is sh*t these days is because perhaps 30% of DVA staff are ex-felons who hate the law-abiding, were indoctrinated into leftist ideology while in prison, and blame any law-abiding person with a clean record for the time they had to spend in prison. DVA and county social services--including correctional facilities!--are America's biggest employers of ex-cons. That is also the main reason the USA is overrun with prescription opioids: those with the license to access these drugs as care providers though ex-felons are selling their "stock in trade" for cash. You can get a certification or degree as a social worker, correctional facilities officer, and nurse while in prison from such institutions as Adams State University or through many more renowned universities through their "prison outreach" programmes.

      It is still better than the response to the Viet Nam returnees whilst those with difficulties adjusting to civilian life after Korea and WW II simply died in the streets by predictable increments. As a little boy I witnessed squirrely WW II and Korea veterans living in bushes, public parks and alleyways or "squatting" in abandoned housing.

      Thinking back, bearing in mind that whole groups of them seemed to disappear from neighborhoods on the same day, I would not be surprised if the police by direction simply hunted them down like dogs on the sly then peddled their corpses for medical schools to use for classes involving dissection. Those were very hard days in the USA. It was not like "Happy Days," more like "Mullholland Falls" only worse.
    • support
      In a way--and maybe it might be my overly-tactical mind at work--it is a good thing that a recount is being done. If in fact there is a component of hundreds of thousands of radicals in the ranks of the illegal immigrants and they realised that Trump is going to do something real and unpleasant for them, they would have gone off by now as a group.

      As it stands, the radical immigrants still think there is a chance for Trump to get the boot owing to a miscount.

      So...it is good that there is a recount as it is buying everyone in the DHS, our national Zombie Apocalypse Response Team, time to tool up for what they ultimately are paid to do.
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      jasin reply tosupport(Show commentHide comment)
      support, Thanks for the interesting post. I probably used PTSD incorrectly because that's how it's being put to me. The parents of these kids wouldn't say too much, just that the "boy's having some problems". My guess is depression and substance abuse, mostly weed and alcohol. All I know is that the parents I know and the reserve guys I know all agree that there are some major mental health problems that aren't addressed at all. I don't know if it matters if it's called PTSD or not. the people are all messed up.
    • supportin reply tojas(Show commentHide comment)
      jas, you are very welcome.

      To balance my remarks I have to say that there is a silver lining to the New Millenium's approach to things: talking about and acting on issues which in the past were ignored or taken for granted. This is but one of those issues which formerly were simply swept under th carpet.

      Why veterans with major behavioural problems in the past--up to 1986 when Reagan shut them all down--dating back to the 1880's were never a public issue was because that all it took to put someone in a mental institution know as a Kirkbride asylim forever in the USA was a quorum of three respectable, "responsible" adults in the community who concurred formally before a justice of the peace that yes, it would be a good idea to commit this person to a mental institution.

      There were up until the 1980's approximately 1,500 of these Kirkbride facilities nationwide where one sent the unruly daughters who would not marry whom they parents had selected for them or young men of 15 or 16 who had committed "statutory rape" by being caught with their hand under a girl's dress by her mother or worse, simply on the weight of a girl's allegation that she was raped by the boy in question. Also homosexuality was treated a a mental disorder up until the 1980's within the Kirkbride system scheme of things so if one were open about it, off you went to be raped forever by usually otherwise unemployable and often criminally-inclined Kirkbride mental hospital attendants.

      They were America's gulags and quasi-genocidal concentration camps except worse IMO. Millions of Americans from the 1880's until President Reagan defunded them had their lives ruined to little benefit and no purpose by them. How it is being done today is much. much better, more effective and has made for a better society.

      I am a Viet Nam era veteran. In my instance and in the case of millions of other veterans throughout (I believe) world history, three things had to be accepted then acted on:

      1. There is no such thing as re-integration into society. This is okay. No one is integrated into society in the first place anywhere anyway. In reality, folks simply adopt a basic set of rules of behaviour specific to their culture but you have to figure out the rest for yourself, completely free of absurd expectations that people will accept you for what you are. What you are does not matter, but what you do. Identity politics in this regard are a fantasy-generated one-way ticket to living Hell for any veteran...unless you own and operate an American Legion hall :)

      2. Your first duty to yourself is to make a choice as to what you want to do when you re-enter the civilian world then stick by that choice regardless of how you feel once you start to work toward your goals. Just because you grow to hate that choice does not invalidate it: getting from point A to point B is hard for anyone.

      3. Your point of departure as a child was alcohol and dope free. They are not "self-medication." They are the chickensh*t version of committing suicide where you can capture an audience of relatives by acting out your slow-motion demise through making a game of it just like any drama queen. If the person who has made this moral choice to be an alcoholic dopefiend does not accept that what they have made is a moral choice on their part, and that it is therefore a character flaw which is completely avoidable with the application of moral courage, I highly recommend a pistol with a single bullet as the pill of choice. It is easier on one's relatives and on you as if you do not accept the responsiblity to quit, you did not want to live anyway.

      BTW, I have never, ever met a veteran with substance abuse problems on leaving the service who did not have those same problems at the time of their enlistment. The only exception I have seen which really is not an exception because the urge to "play with one's meds" is a pre-existing childishness which is also avoidable are those strung out on opioids prescribed to relieve the pain of old physical wounds.

      4. The veteran had the courage to fight, to follow orders, and to live under military discipline in an orderly manner. The courage must be found to make fighting for your own happiness, to follow the orders you issue for your betterment and to move toward your goals in an orderly manner when you become a civilian.

      5. As practical encouragement, it must always be remembered that civilians die too, often under more horrible circumstances than military conflict. Eveyrone dies. It usually hurts. As a veteran you have not been cheated out of your due in life if things do not work out as planned. My experience has been that all my mistakes have worked out better for me than those things I had achieved on a straight-line basis: the trick is to learn to exploit the opportunities presented by Providence and to not reject opportunity when it knocks simply out of vanity or the thought that "I deserve better." The attitude should be "No job is too small or too unimportant for me to do."

      Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but my best achievements so far have come of ignoring the advice of others who supposedly knew better. Only you know what is right for you.

      So much for Sunday sermons but getting the word out on how huge the Kirkbride system once was is important to me. Everyone talks about "We want the 1950's and 1960's back!" If you say that you were not there and you do not know just how evil certain aspects of those days were, evil for the reason of just wanting to "keep up appearances." People were way, way crazier and meaner than today then. Police and other social statistics bear me out on this claim.
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      The recount may show up that Trump actually won the popular vote. How come the Repubs took both the House and the Senate and so many states? The U.S. has a bogus voting system, 'trust us, we'll tell you what the computers say.' They, the globalist traitors, were planning on stealing it, imo. To steal the vote convincingly, they have to follow the polls closely. Unfortunately for them there were too many 'secret' Trump votes, who didn't want to admit it to the pollsters. the bad guys were caught out with no way to electronically steal enough votes. But were able, in the blue coastal states, to convincingly steal enough votes to claim Hillary had won the popular vote.

      Incidentally, we often quote a supposed Stalin statement: "It doesn't matter who wins a vote, what matters is who does the counting. Did he actually say that?
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