22:26 GMT06 May 2021
Listen Live
    Get short URL

    Anonymous has released a trove of materials on 'Integrity Initiative', a UK government-funded program which critics say is aimed at interfering in the internal affairs of other countries, including Russia and even the UK's own allies. Award-winning foreign affairs journalist Jonathan Power spoke to Sputnik about the project and its implications.

    Sputnik: What's your take on the purpose of this project and its effectiveness?

    Jonathan Power: The purpose of the project of course is to have an influence on Russian foreign policy, mainly, [and to] some degree on Russian economic policy. This is under the counter, what some people would call subversion, and it's very difficult to know if it's effective. I guess it must have some degree of effectiveness. Otherwise the British or the Americans with their programs wouldn't do it.

    Sputnik: Is there some way in which the UK can profit by inflaming Russian-Western tensions? What's the real goal behind all this?

    Jonathan Power: The goal is to reach ordinary Russian people and tell them the other side of the story; it might be on this issue, it might be on Russian economic policy; it might be on the role of the opposition in Russia, arguing that it's being repressed or that the media is all influenced by the Kremlin; to try to sow doubt in Russian minds – the ordinary Russian man or woman in the street that something is not quite right at home; that's the purpose.

    Sputnik: Would you agree with the view expressed by some analysts that this program isn't just aimed at Russia, but also at the UK and its European allies?

    Jonathan Power: Yes. We know that under President Barack Obama, who was supposed to be and was in many ways a liberal force, that his government was tapping the mobile phone of Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany. She was understandably livid, furious that there wasn't even confidence between two close allies. So this is probably just the tip of an iceberg. For all we know Theresa May is being tapped by Washington. So I wouldn't be surprised at anything.

    Sputnik: What is needed to counter this? Or is this just the status quo that we have to become accustomed to? And do we need, as individuals and citizens, to try to filter the information that we're getting?

    Jonathan Power: This seems to go on everywhere. Of course, there's a bigger concentration on Russia, because Russia is seen as the West's antagonist. But yes, it goes on. It goes on between allies. It shows a lack of trust even between allies. To me, on balance it's a bad thing. There is an argument that it's better to know about it and compete with it; that the West should compete with what Russia's saying and attempt to influence opinion in the European side, and vice-versa. But it doesn't take us very far, of course. It would be better if the two sides could sit down together and say 'we don't like this, and we should control it, like we control nuclear or chemical weapons.' But I can't imagine either side doing that.

    Sputnik: How long has this information war really been going on? Do you think that Russia is targeted any more than any other countries? Why is it that Russia is said to pose a risk, that needs to be influenced through an ideological war or an information war?

    Jonathan Power: I don't think it's an ideological war. Both sides now post-Soviet Union have the same ideology – the support of the capitalist system, the support of open trade and so on. No, the ambition of the West is to try and modestly subvert Russian institutions. Russia is seen as the prime antagonist of the West. The West has allowed this antagonism to develop, primarily by pushing the borders of NATO right up to Russia's borders. There's a lot of bitterness around on the Russian side, so that encourages Russia to engage in this behavior; On the Western side there is a desire to keep Russia on the back foot, and to modify if they can, Russian policies.

    Jonathan Power is a veteran foreign affairs columnist, filmmaker and author with over 40 years of experience writing for the International Herald Tribune, Foreign Affairs, the Washington Post, the New York Times and other major Western publications and interviewing senior world leaders. He is also an associate of the Transnational Foundation for Peace & Future Research, an independent think tank headquartered in Lund, Sweden. The views expressed by Jonathan Power are those of the contributor, and do not necessarily reflect those of Sputnik.

    The views and opinions expressed in the article do not necessarily reflect those of Sputnik.


    What Integrity? Russian Officials, Analysts Speak Out on UK Hybrid Warfare Plot
    For Whom the Bell Trolls: Here's Who Britain is Paying to 'Counteract' Russia
    UK Covert Op Planned to Set up Major EU Info Warfare Hub in Brussels - Anonymous
    Anonymous Claims Ex-Russian Spy Scholar Enlisted to UK Info Warfare Project
    Anonymous Reveals Covert UK Special Ops on Hybrid Warfare in EU
    program, secret, information warfare, Integrity Initiative, Anonymous, Europe, Russia, United Kingdom
    Community standardsDiscussion