Crimea is historically part of Russia, referendum was legitimate - Marine Le Pen's spokesman
Do you think the Crimean region should be part of Russia, especially taking into account its history and the fact that the majority of its residents are Russian nationals?
Our opinion about this is that exactly Crimea is historically part of the Mother Russia since the imperial Russia. And I have been personally from Sevastopol to Kerch for several times in the last year and I felt this deeply inside the population, that they couldn’t express it really politically, but I felt this very strongly inside them, that there was some kind of a dream to go back to the motherland.
Moreover, we see Crimea in its legitimate right to have had this referendum as what happened in Kiev was completely illegal regarding the constitution, with the overthrow of the President. So, why this referendum would not be legitimate? And let’s not forget what happened in Kosovo as well.
So, there is a kind of unbalanced situation on the international scale. But many patriots in Europe, and not only in Europe I think, I have seen that in the US as well there are dissident voices saying that this referendum was very legitimate.
Why are we witnessing such an aggressive reaction from the West with regard to Crimea’s secession?
There are greater agendas, of course, on the global scale. I guess, that the US’s interests, more than the EU’s, are in this game. I think that several globalists have been looking into the Ukrainian affairs for a long time, since the Orange Revolution. And this game has been ongoing for some time.
And we can see now that the plans are arriving where the EU, which is backed by the US and more by the IMF, want to give 11 billion euros to Ukraine. But what a lot of people do not explain is the conditions to have this money. And the conditions are austerity, getting to the markets, they are getting to the farmer lands for big agro businesses. So, there is a hidden agenda behind all these so-called very democratic processes with a lot of interests, of course.
What can you say about the sanctions imposed against Russia? Are they a justified measure? And who has the most to win or lose?
They are not justified. This is not about being for Russia against Ukraine. This is not our position. We want to say that there was a long tradition of relations between Ukraine and Russia, who are the sisters in history. Kiev even used to be the capital city of the ancient Russia. And they have common interests not on economical grounds.
But I have seen today, for example, that Ukraine refused to chair the Commonwealth of Independent States, which is something really important for that region. And it shows that it is completely imbalanced getting far away from what it should be.
So, all these unbalanced politics and policies from the so-called West are very dangerous. And what Russia did was very legitimate because of its natural and historical ties to Ukraine and, moreover, because of the strategic position on the Black Sea and Azov Sea. So, we understand why Russia reacted this way and we find it legitimate and really founded on several levels.
When you say you find it legitimate on behalf of whom are you speaking? And can you give a little bit of an idea, from your point of view, to what extent there is the support in Europe for the actions that were taken in Crimea?
First of all, we have seen many people listening to the mainstream media saying that something is not democratic, there’s been a lot of military, pressure and etc. But, at the same time, you watch the CNN and the BBC – the major global media – and they are showing people happy, people waving flags and at the same time comments of the journalists that it is not the case.
The reality is that you can put the people’s interests first. There was a risk that the Crimeans, who are ethnic Russians in huge majority or Russia-linked, that their right would be in danger. We have see some extremists in Kiev talking about taking their rights away, like the Russian language and other things. And we can understand that these people were scared.
But, as I said, I was there for several times and I felt it deep inside the people’s mind, that they wanted to go back to Russia. And this is the historical time where I guess Russia could protect this new very fast development in history.
How do you expect Russia’s relations with the EU and the United States will develop in the near future? Is this going to be a long drawn-out thing? Is it going to depend on what happens further?
We hope that the US and Europe will get back to their minds again, because we are in the era of very interdependent economies and not only in the energy field, but even in the financial sectors and monetary level around the world. So, sanctions against Russia will indirectly harm a lot of the interests of investments made by the West, the CIS, Russia’s natural allies in the economic field.
So, the sanctions? Okay, but there will be a backdreft of all of this, there will be the consequences for them as well. It is going to have a boomerang effect.
There were a lot of threats of sanctions before Crimea was annexed by Russia and now we are seeing some sort of a low in rhetoric and so forth. Do you think that this is just the calm before the storm, are people just taking timeout to asses and further plan these sanctions or do you think this is just going to blow over? Or what is going to happen? Are there going to be a lot of sanctions, are they going to be long-lasting sanctions?
I think there’s been a lot of fuss. I think there’s been a lot of communication from the US and the EU, when, at the same time, Russia has been showing a very professional and secure face, acting in a way that the population felt that it could be secured by Russia somehow. And at the same time, there’s been a lot of warmongering, a lot of aggression in the speeches.
It was like the barking dog, this is how we felt it was. We feel that the EU anyway is not powerful enough or not in a shape to do so many things. And the US is on the eve of probably loosing grounds in Europe. And this is why we think that with these sanctions, they should be thinking twice about it, because, as I said earlier, they are independent and interdependent economies.
And they will harm their economies more than ever, actually, especially the countries whose debt is huge. I mean, just the France’s debt is 2 000 billion euros. And the US’s debt is 17 000 billion.
So, come on, let’s be serious again. We know why they were planning all this – they wanted to put their hands on the Ukrainian economy and deepen their strategy in this region. They were not very careful about the reality of this bigger area in the Eastern European countries.
Do you think that it is possible for all sides to come to some diplomatic solution still, at this point while still saving face?
We think that there should be some kind of second Yalta. After the WW II there was Yalta, which is not the best example, I would say. But there could be some kind of second Yalta, so that this time people sit down as adults and not scream at each other when Russia has a very sovereign attitude. I think all these people should be sitting around the table and putting things clear together again in the name of helping Ukraine, because it is not helping Ukraine at all today.
When do you think we are going to see the next developments coming from the EU? We do see cooperation that is continuing as far as the Iranian question. And we see that there is a necessity for diplomatic relations to continue on some level. So, what do you think is going to happen next?
They might want to revenge, of course, because of Iran or even Syria. We’ve seen some signs that they will be coming back to the Syrian problem again. Europe now wants to lend money to Ukraine, 11 billions, but under unbearable conditions for the Ukrainians who will suffer very hard austerity.
So, yes, the moves are ongoing. They probably will be immature enough to want to have their revenge against Vladimir Putin. But as I said, what we think – many patriots in Europe, what they think is that they should be sitting around the table as adults and not what they are doing today.
Most certainly! We must hope for some kind of peaceful diplomatic solution in the nearest future. I mean, there’s also been some talk that this all has escalated a bit. Once again, today we see a little bit more calm than we saw yesterday. So, hopefully everything will end well.
That’s what we hope for too. But as I see it, when Ukraine says it doesn’t want to be part of the CIS, probably, this is something very negative for Russia and for the whole this region. It is a very negative spiral, but let’s hope that it will stop, of course.